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‘Presbyterianism’ run amuck

Many of you have asked, “why not just let folks in John Knox Presbytery (JKP) ordain who they want to ordain? Why not just leave them alone? Their decisions don’t affect us.” Wrong. 

G-14.0480 says, “Ordination for the officer of minister of the Word and Sacrament is an act of the whole church carried out by the presbytery, setting apart a person to the ministry of the Word and Sacrament.” That means that when JKP acts to ordain Scott Anderson, they are acting on behalf of all of us. And once ordained, he is ordained throughout the system, not just in JKP.

The actual “departure” from our ordination standards is almost irrelevant. In this case, it happens to be sexual practice, but it could theoretically be any number of things. The point is that he openly and honestly departs from our mutually agreed upon constitutional standards for ordination.

Those standards are spelled out in G-6.0106(a) and (b).

“a. To those called to exercise special functions in the church – deacons, elders, and ministers of the Word and Sacrament – God gives suitable gifts for their various duties. In addition to possessing the necessary gifts and abilities, natural and acquired, those who undertake particular ministries should be persons of strong faith, dedicated discipleship, and love of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. Their manner of life should be a demonstration of the Christian gospel in the church and in the world. They must have the approval of God’s people and the concurring judgment of a governing body of the church.

“b. Those who are called to office in the church are to lead a life in obedience to Scripture and in conformity to the historic confessional standards of the church. Among these standards is the requirement to live either in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman (W-4.9001), or chastity in singleness. Persons refusing to repent of any self-acknowledged practice which the confessions call sin shall not be ordained and/or installed as deacons, elders, or ministers of the Word and Sacrament.”

Further, when one becomes a candidate or officer in the PCUSA, our constitution recognizes that “one chooses to exercise freedom of conscience within certain bounds. His or her conscience is captive to the Word of God as interpreted in the standards of the church so long as he or she continues to seek or hold office in that body. The decision as to whether a person has departed from essentials of Reformed faith and polity is made initially by the individual concerned but ultimately becomes the responsibility of the governing body in which he or she serves. (G-1.0301; G-1.0302).” – from G-6.0108

The issue that now confronts us has a human face, Scott Anderson. But at risk is our entire constitutional system of governance. This is ultimately a debate about whether or not we are going to continue to be Presbyterian in the way we’ve always thought of that. The PCUSA, through many rounds of successive voting on the matter, has determined the qualifications for its ministers. This candidate does not qualify and yet, his ordination has been approved by a presbytery acting on behalf of the entire denomination.

I find it ironic that the “peace, unity and purity” of the church is often appealed to in this particular conversation. This horribly disrupts the peace of the body, threatens its functional unity and makes any discussion of purity laughable.

Yes, complaints can be filed, the action of the JKP can be challenged in the church courts and the GAPJC’s resolve can be tested again. In the meantime, an entire generation of Presbyterians is being distracted once again from the core calling of Christ to go and make disciples, teaching people to obey his commands and demonstrating the Kingdom of God to a world literally dying of thirst for the Living Water.

Look, either the constitution that we’ve all agreed to actually has some authority, or it is does not. And if it does not hold on this point, it does not hold. If JKP’s action in relationship to Scott Anderson and San Francisco presbytery in relationship to Lisa Larges, and Twin Cities presbytery action in relationship to Paul Capetz, are allowed to stand, I expect other candidates to openly scruple things like the assertion of trust clause in Chapter 8, the Confession of 1967 from the Book of Confessions, and on and on. Which of these is essential and which is not? Find a presbytery that agrees with you and you’re good to go! Local option run amuck.

In getting what “you” want you just may find that you get more than you bargained for: The death of any sense of connectionalism in the part of the body known as the PCUSA.

 

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Comments  15

  • Thom Burleson 25 Feb, 02:55 PM

    Dear Carmen,
    I am greatly puzzled by the second to last paragraph in this most recent blog post (and maybe that was your intention). I guess what puzzles me the most is the mentioning of the trust clause and the Confession of 1967, two parts of our consitution that the Layman opposes with great fervor not only in words but with supportive actions. With what I read in the Layman just a few weeks ago, it would seem that a defacto scruple of the Confession of 1967 is in play for those at the Layman who are attached to the PC(USA) through ordination. What's the difference between your human face and Mr. Anderson's? Should I be considering bringing charges against you because you are departing from our mutually agreed upon constitutional standards with your stance on the Confession of 1967? It would seem to me that those associated with the Layman really have no room to speak of exercising the freedom of one's conscience within certain bounds... at least not with any real degree of integrity.
  • Jeff Winter 25 Feb, 03:04 PM

    All Scruples are Not Created Equal

    I was very angry when I read that the John Knox Presbytery voted 81-25 to ordain Scott Anderson. Mr. Anderson, an openly gay-identified ministerial candidate, invoked an “Affirmation of Conscience” declaring a scruple to G-6.0106(b), which requires all PCUSA officers to be faithful in marriage between a man and a woman or chaste in singleness.

    Since the John Knox Presbytery voted to affirm the ordination of Mr. Anderson, thereby disregarding the clear teaching of Scripture on homosexuality and our Book of Order as it relates to ordination standards, I am demanding that the Executive Presbyter, Ken Meunier and the Stated Clerk, Alyson Janke of the John Knox Presbytery write letters of apology to those persons who were told they could not minister in our denomination because they had scruples against ordaining women. I know two Godly servants of Jesus Christ who were told by their respective presbytery in the early 1980s that they could not minister within the UPCUSA because they believed biblically that women should not be ordained. They scrupled their presbytery and were denied ordination. I also remember when the Presbytery of Denver redid the locks of South Presbyterian Church because the senior pastor, staff and elders had biblical scruples against the ordination of women. Because of this unloving and inappropriate behavior by the presbytery the members had to find another place to worship.

    At one time in our denomination local presbyteries took action to deal with those individuals and churches that had biblical scruples concerning the ordination of women. In regard to the homosexual ordination issue, individuals, local churches, PLGC and MLP have been for years “thumbing their collective noses” at the Book of Order. They dared COMs to take action. It is clear that presbyteries have been frightened by those who advocate the ordination of homosexually-identified persons. And so, Scott Anderson, an openly gay-identified man, is now allowed to move toward ordination within the PCUSA because of his scruple while other gifted persons, who also scrupled our denomination, were told to leave. It is apparent that some scruples have more potency than others.

    I know the names of the men who were “drop kicked” out of the UPCUSA as well as the Denver pastor who was locked out of his church. I can find their addresses. I will give them to the Executive Presbyter and Stated Clerk of the John Knox Presbytery so they can write letters of apology to the persons our denomination would not allow to serve because of their particular scruple.

    Jeff Winter
    Pastor FaithMV Church
    Martha's Vineyard, MA
    JWinter777@aol.com

  • Carmen Fowler 25 Feb, 05:09 PM

    You got the point precisely. The basis for formal charges against me on these particular points however, does not exist. Ordained officers are free to consciously object to almost anything. What we may not do is "enact" that opposition by doing that which the Constitution expressly forbids.
  • Ray Bagnuolo 25 Feb, 06:43 PM

    Dear Carmen,

    Thanks for your piece. I agree with you. People who believe these decisions do not affect the church, are wrong. These decisions will make it possible for us to actually become a Body of Christ, serving others more than disserving one another. This change has already happened. And there is no cliff to fall of when we get the constitution in alignment in such a way that faithfulness is not defined by debate.

    At GA after GA, in the sanctuaries and churches within which we minister, in the times in which we pray, and in all the times in which God guides us, we are called on paths that - if we allow them to by disallowing ourselves the luxury of certitude - will move this church together into what it already is and can better be - a broadly diverse and wildly inclusive demonstration of God's creation and Love.

    Listen, I know not everyone will agree. And we can honor that without demonizing each other. There is not loss in opening our hearts to what already is - there is change, yes, but ultimately witness in a world that is broken and needs our healing - not our fighting.

    At this General Assembly, the chances are good another overture will emerge to rewrite or delete B. I hope for the latter, going forward based upon the substantial and complete guidelines in G-6.0106a.

    Ratification will likely happen, and the main reason it will take place is because the reality is that we already have come to accept one another and others like Scott Anderson are already here and will follow.

    The ratification of the amendment or change that comes out of GA219 will be met with joy by many, but I think over time can be met with joy by all - if we discover a "wideness in God's mercy" that opens up the healing and mission work we share, yes - we share in this world. This is not victory or loss. I see no one’s sorrow on any outcome as comforting. I pray much of that may truly be avoided.

    Still, at some point a risk needs to be taken in the direction of Love as fullness, not as dictate. We need to set our face to a Jerusalem of believing in God together, if not yet God in one another – as created. If we do that, we have a chance of being the Gospel, instead of wielding it at one another. It is still true that we may be the only copy of the gospels someone ever knows, better they should know a gospel of Love than one of separateness..

    We have to move a bit closer to one another, and I am willing to step forward with all those who have gone before us in this way and all those who will follow.

    Yes, John Knox Presbytery has changed the church. Let us do so, faithfully - even if not in agreement all the time - together.

    And, yes, all this can be taken apart – again and again. After all these years, the only reason to keep rejecting what God is clear

    Peace,
    Ray Bagnuolo, Pastor
    Jan Hus Presbyterian Church and Neighborhood House, NYC

    ordained as an openly gay
    Minister of Word and Sacrament 2005

    Board Member of More Light Presbyterians

    And ready to come together...
  • Earl Apel 26 Feb, 12:07 AM

    Carmen:

    I agree with your thoughts on the concept of scruples not being such a great idea. Quite frankly I believe GLBT persons in committed relationships can be ordained without declaring an exception to the Constitution. And this happens today with elders and deacons throughout the PC (USA). Unfortunately the ministers are under greater scrutiny. Yet if one takes the PC (USA) BoO, Confessions, and the Bible as a whole as one should, GLBT persons can be ordained.

    Regarding your statements apparently in response to questions about the Confession of 1967, etc: "The basis for formal charges against me on these particular points however, does not exist. Ordained officers are free to consciously object to almost anything. What we may not do is "enact" that opposition by doing that which the Constitution expressly forbids."

    However the BoO does state about the Confessions in G-2.0200 that "While confessional standards are subordinate to the Scriptures, they are, nonetheless, standards. They are not lightly drawn up orsubscribed to, nor may they be ignored or dismissed. The church is prepared to counsel with or even to discipline one ordained who seriously rejects the faith expressed in the confessions."

    It would seem to me that those of The Layman who openly reject the Confession of 1967 as valid could have formal charges brought against them based on G-2.0200. But I guess many who could do this, likewise have the same thoughts as I do that the BoO, the Confessions, and the Bible have to be taken as a whole, not just focus on a specific statement without regard to how it fits in with everything else.

    It's for this reason that GLBT folks like me, our supporters, as well as folks like you and The Layman will be around for a good many years in the PC (USA). And I expect that scruples will be a passing fad as the great middle that have the final say will not like the idea of what seems like possible chaos.

    Earl Apel
    Cincinnati, Ohio
  • Kelly Dale 26 Feb, 08:52 AM

    The Rev. Fowler is correct in her last comment about charges against her and freedom of conscience to object. Unless of course the General Assembly, using legally accepted rules, enacts an AI that would indeed allow such a scruple, and it is upheld in our courts.

    While I find the unwillingness to ordain women a terrible thing and bad theology, IF an AI was in place at the time when the individuals the Rev. Winter refers to took the actions they did allowing them to do so, then they were indeed treated wrongly.

    That said, two wrongs do not make a right.
  • Jim Cramer 26 Feb, 03:10 PM

    Dear Carmen, as usual you put the case better than I could. The PCUSA is simply irreparably broken. JKP's action is just one more deliberate offense thrown at the few who still hold Biblical/confessional standards. Those of us, who have been shunned, denied and blacklisted these many years, and have no place to go, await the church police and lawyers to come for whatever they think they can squeeze from us. I feel like Crockett at the Alamo...bring it on soon!
    In Him, Jim
  • Rich Fallis 26 Feb, 04:08 PM

    We need to rename The Book of Jude to The Book of the PCUSA.
  • Roger Bush 27 Feb, 07:48 PM

    If I remember rightly, these "actions" of those two General Assemblies were both overturned by the majority of the Presbyteries. Had they been radified, the Book or Order would have been changed, but since they were not, it stands as THE authority, and JKP should know it!
  • Toby Brown 27 Feb, 08:18 PM

    What Rich said...

    (Great article, Carmen!)
  • Kelly Dale 28 Feb, 03:30 PM

    General Assemblies can pass or decline overtures, and if they are passed, then the 173 presbyteries vote on them. An AI can be enacted by a GA on its own. Then, it can be challenged legally, in church court. Or future GA's can overturn them.

    But, they still apply until they are
  • Bob 1 Mar, 06:57 AM

    The fall of the PCUSA started at the time of creation. Hubris, self-centered, humanist idol worship. Sometime ~90 years ago, with the split by Machen and crowd, a decision was made to ignore God's word in the UP. The traditional confessions were too restrictive and based too much on God's word, so they were ultimately abandoned.

    And, as the PCUSA embraced post-modern culture and celebrate ecumenical pursuits and political Marxism, the church began to "reimage" God, celebrate Sophia, endorse Angela Davis and her violence, close missions, fire missionaries, read from the Koran instead of the Bible at Presbytery meetings (Presbytery of the Pacific), develop a theology of "many paths to heaven" and "constantly reforming". Just recently we learn of the exciting development of the "theology of the breast"... and theological pluralism allows so many ways to salvation, celebrates a "do what you want" humanism, and puts man at the center of controlling God.

    In the interim, Ophrah and The View provide more meaningful answers to the world's problems than the PCUSA. As a result, people have turned from the PCUSA "church". To be sure, bible believing churches who teach from the scripture, rather than from pop psychology, are growing and strong, but Satan uses the PCUSA cult like structure to destroy the body of Christ on earth.

    It started in the Garden and it continues. In the end, God will win... but not with the PCUSA which is barely recognizable as a Christian church as it now stands. Just as Satan wants it.
  • Greg Wiest 1 Mar, 05:00 PM

    Carmen,
    Thanks for your staying on top of these breaking issues. Your analysis is right on the money. For those of us who take a Biblical stand on ordination(Bible trumps the BOO anyway) it feels as if we are constantly having to try to plug new leaks in a dam that is full of holes(the PCUSA that is...). We are in need of a realistic vision for our life in the PCUSA, other then exiting. We all knew this scrupling would be the result of the PUP report and the AI which followed. Evangelicals must come together and covenant with one another for fellowship and mission. We need to connect with one another through places like the coalition, the Biblical Presb. Network, and the Layman.
  • Sarah Norman 11 Mar, 12:45 PM

    Superbly stated, Carmen, as usual.

    OK all of you scruple-defenders, please jump on the soapbox and square this (about Anderson) with the recent news about W. Clark Chamberlain, retired Texas pastor and PCUSA leader run amok and the ever-lovely Rev. Spahr in another legal joust over "marrying" same-sex couples.

    (Really, isn't the Rev. Chamberlain just seeking the God-created affections of others and if, as he says, it's with other "consenting adults," isn't this something you wish to defend?)

    Here's the relation between the Revs. Anderson, Spahr and Chamberlain: they are all standing on the slippery slope of exceptions/scruples. If it will be right for Scott & Jane to break from the rules of the denomination, then -- mark my words --we will find ourselves having to accept Clark's violations in the not too distant future. "Accepting" as in, allowing him to function as an endorsed leader within the PCUSA --anywhere!

    This is the SO DANGEROUS effect of variances in zoning ordinances and scruples in ordination/pastoring: the people wanting an exception for their certain issue begin to break down the rules against things and pretty soon you will have to live with everything, right under your noses.

    This was not God's plan. He made rules. They are good for us. We need to follow them without thinking that we are important or special enough to deserve a "free pass" on obedience. Did 'ya make it through seminary and not get that point? Geez!
  • gerald daniels 24 May, 10:29 AM

    Even if ordained, another presbytery does not have to call the individual to word and sacrament in their presbytery. This of course limits the candidates options, but, then, it also protects the right of presbytery to call whom it chooses. Also, gay and lesbian folks are not contagious and accidently meeting one in a presbytery meeting will not give you a disease or make you gay or lesbian.
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